Видео

Another great video Joe. Can't believe I'm using all 4 limbs now, two grip variants, and all 8 of my abominations.

I’m having a great time watching these videos!

Perfect to the Eye if the Tiger :)

A lot of this conversation is technical ability vs feel playing what is right for the part - as Andy articulates very well. This does not just apply to drums, most of the very fast, technically amazing more recent guitarists, perhaps beginning with the likes of Van Halen, leave me cold when compared with the earlier guitarists - Gallagher, Kossov, Trower, Beck, Page, Moore, Blackmore, and of course Hendrix, who had feel, and tone and played more interesting fewer notes + mistakes. It's the classic Ringo problem in assessing the relative simplicity of his drumming vs its beautiful fit for the songs. I read somewhere Bonham knew he was not technically as good as certain contemporary drummers and that was a pressure that contributed to his drinking. I like the Keith Moon quote - “I’m the greatest Keith Moon-type drummer in the world.” It sums up the issue of trying to attribute greatness.

Been playing percussion for nearly 8 years now but never properly learned how to flam with my left hand! Thanks for the great video

Just setup my first abomination of an ekit. This is the first video I am playing along with. All the way till the end! Love your humor.

What a tosser.

Excellent breakdown! Thank you for sharing your experience 😊

I think Bonham (and other cultural icons like Hendrix and Joplin, for instance) although they were brilliant in their way, are lionized not only because of their talent but also because they died young and were popular when they died. We never saw them develop or change directions as some other musicians did. I remember in the late 1960s and early 1970s the number of greatest (you name the instrument) players rotated on a weekly basis. The fact that they were in immensely popular bands helped solidify their public image. A lot of drummers took inspiration from Bonham because he was in an extremely popular group. The natural inclination is to say the most popular is the best. I have seen that repeatedly through the years. The guy was talented and influenced a lot of people. That doesn't mean he was the greatest rock drummer. If you like Bonham and he is best for you, please feel so. I get people's reactions to reactions that seem like nitpicking. But there are legitimate criticisms that can be made of any drummer's style. There are and were SO MANY (not yelling/just emphasizing) talented players out there, it seems self defeating to get offended when someone points out the limitations of a hero. We are all human; we all have flaws--even rock gods; especially rock gods, in my humble opinion because we are looking at music through a very narrow lens.

0:14 It is easy to forget that Baker held the greatest drummer in the world spot for two - three years before he ended up leaving super popular groups. (He didn't merit that position, because there is no such thing.) Being in a super popular group adds loads to the reputation as being the best. It goes with the territory of being most popular.

Bonham was great at what he did... but I really never liked his feel. I respect all the folks who love Bonham. I really liked him on Led Zeppelin's first album; I was tired of him by Led Zeppelin 2. It's taste. I loved some individual performances (like Kashmir and Immigrant Song, a few more) but in general I found him too predictable for me personally. This is an individual observation... and I never really liked his feel, especially after LZ 3.

Seems a shame you can't recall Mickey Waller and Tony Newman from the first two Jeff Beck albums. Waller's work on Shapes of Things and Ain't Superstitious are two of my favorite drum performances ever.

Thank you v much, i was taught to open the high hat as i left them to leave a ring a beat as i went to the tom fill.

Bill Ward definitely has a strong following and is in a similar category as Bonham - but he suffered from mediocre cardboard drum production. That's why the now widely available Sabbath Paris recording is so popular - the drums finally boom and you can hear the ferocity (and also the quieter dynamics) that that don't come across all that well in the studio recordings. Grohl is a basher in a way similar to Bonzo at times was but Bonham did had rudiments - certainly not at a Cobham or Weckl level - but much more than Grohl - who is 100% primal behind the kit.

Thank you soooo...much I just learnt these simple strokes though I play in my band these are good

Your usual excellent lesson, Joe. So, is this the approach Murray Spivak used when teaching smooth doubles? I assume it is since you started this lesson referring to how you learned doubles watching him, but I just wanted to verify that's the case. Thanks again and more, please. Cheers. 🍻

Thanks man. Love C. Layton. U really broke this down well. Any chance u could break down Couldn’t Stand the Weather? Thank you

23:40 ... exactly. John Bonham had a SIGNATURE sound, which the interviewer doesn't appreciate and from his remarks is obviously not a Zeppelin fan. It's all about finding a reason to bash Bonham. He wasn't the most technically proficient drummer but so what. That wasn't required in Zeppelin songs. Again he had a signature heavy sound and was an ideal fit for the band. Other drummers could have done the drumming but it wouldn't have sounded the same. Guys like Neal Peart were certainly more technically proficient almost to a fault of being too mechanical-sounding having played the drums for an additional 40 YEARS.....another drummer who never gets mentioned and who is criminally underrated is Bill Ward from Black Sabbath.

Been watching quite a few videos by you Joe. Really enjoy how you take the time to explain. I'm an absolute beginner, and those 10 rudiments in 5 minute videos are useless to me.

Thank you. Very helpful.

Thank you sir , another great lesson, i ve been practicing double s and triples alot lately , so the timing s great , after a bit of practice the penny finally dropped , its great fun when they get going , thanks again for the great lessons. Blessings from Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 .

I know Jimi Hendrix was proud of his choice. Mitch Mitchell!

Drummers and other creatures? 💀

Bonham started great then became a sloppy drunk drummer…sad really…was so good but coke and alcohol poisoning took him just like Keith

Great video! I watched all the way through! You both are such a wealth of knowledge. I always love hearing more opinions on how to be a professional drummer in the modern age as well as open handed drumming

Dave was an awesome guitarist and singer when we were 17 in our band Anderida! I used to pick you up for practice down the golden martlett 😊 The boy has done good!!

This is the first video of yours I've watched. What a lovely, encouraging teaching style you have!

You working too hard chap. Tony used exteme efficiency of movement & caressed the Afrobeat polyrhythms out of the drum kit.

So glad the algorithm brought me here. Love Mitch & Jimi of course too. Great lesson & much appreciated 👍🏾

One thing is driving me insane is i cant get my head round the actual wrist, hand, arm motion behind double strokes. A friend tried to explain "oh you just bounce the sticks!" and would then play at warp speed on a practice pad. I ending up getting cranky and whacking him wirh the sticks. Hes 64 and im 50 so the fact the "lesson" degenerated into such a juvenile tantrum give you an idea of how much this drove me insane! I still cant do it without it feeling like im trying to do fast single strokes that are mostly coming from arm movement.

Suprised no comments here yet?? These lessons are great. Yes, there is an overwhelming amount of "how to music" on RUclips (hence the pisstake name of my account). Personally i enjoy the simple editing, no annoying, distracting background music and irrelevant bells, whistles and scene/camera transitions. 👌👌👌

Ugh. Guy with a missing artistic taste gene explaining himself to the masses whilst looking down his nose.

Thanks for the Tutorial helped a lot! What sticks are you using here ?

Merci 🙏 , very clear!!

"Bass players by accident " We do need our own channel on the theme there are tons of us .

simple and to the point! i've been meaning to look into what a texas shuffle is for a while. turns out it i already "knew" how to play it. thanks!

Noice!

I've been working on this first pattern for a bit less than a week. It took me a few days to shake off the feeling that I should be playing a heavy back beat on the snare.. In fact this groove is not really a rock beat at all. I guess that's why they call it "afrobeat". The thing is, I can't help hearing this pattern flip so that I hear it beginning with the snare notes, when it should begin with the the sixteenth note double on the kick drum. No matter what I do, that sense of the "1" goes to the snare notes! Obviously I need to listen more to the music.

Sorry but this discussion REEKS of musical snobbery. Jimmy Page knew what note went where, what part went where, what parts to overdub that would enhance the SONG. Sure he often did it messily even outright misses notes at times (not unlike Angus Young I always thought) but he's serving the song which is all that matters to me. As to John Bonham's lack of originality - give Hots On For Nowhere another listen. And NO its not just production.

Wow the whole takadimi explanation opened the kit up in a big way😊

Hi, what is the ride you play? It sounds really nice

Really helpful! I'm pretty much a beginner drummer, and this was exactly what I was looking for. Thanks, Joe!

it’s a crashable ride now. Nice job

The irony of what Andy said about his students unable to go beyond rock drumming and into other genres due to their obsession with Bonham is that what marked Bonham out of his peers is that he actually did that very thing...from rock, to funk, to reggae, to shuffled, etc

Please send sheet music for beginners please

LOVE Tony Allen!! (RIP kind man).

Very good

Top

Oh wow..thats so cool. Thanks heaps Joe..i’m gonna do a deep dive into this lesson..cheers mate

Wow! I like the way you teach! Blew me away, thanks!